Video: Their mom has always wanted a miniature cow. So, before Christmas day this dad and his kids drove over 20 hours to find one. When they finally got there, they saw their new mini cow and were able to take them back home where they then had to hide them for a bit. Before they surprised their mom, by walking through the front door with it on Christmas morning.
Mom: Get the ***, out of here. Oh my God, I love him. My God.
Video: She was so excited but didn’t know one of the biggest surprises of this gift. Their new mini cow is pregnant and will be having a baby in the spring.
Mom: What? I’m going to be a boyfriend. Intro: Welcome to the Consider Podcast where we turn our minds to consider wisdom, madness and folly. Join the host Timothy and Jacob on a quest to have God enlighten the mind according to verse 25 of Ecclesiastes chapter 7. So, I turned my mind to understand. To investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things and to understand the stupidity of wickedness and the madness of folly. Ecclesiastes 7:25. The Consider Podcast, examining today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities at www.archive.consider.info.
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Timothy: Jacob, I need you to do me a favor. Put this on your list of do not do for dad favor list.
Jacob: Okay.
Timothy: Don’t get me a what was it? A toy cow?
Jacob: Mini cow.
Timothy: Mini cow.
Jacob: It looked kind of cool.
Timothy: I knew you’d kind of like it.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: Certainly, if it was chickens, you’d like it. In fact, I’d saw a chicken coop that’s it’s like modern day stuff. It has all kinds of electronics and gadgets to say, so but I didn’t kick it to you. So yeah. Don’t get me a mini cow. Not even a toy replica or stuff. Well, now I’m happy for this lady. So, everything we’re about ready to say don’t take this as some type of big negative thing. But we are going to look at the truth. And if we look at the truth, what are we going to bump into, Jacob?
Jacob: Offense.
Timothy: The offense. That is correct. I used to hear all the time. Well, you know you need to share the gospel without being offensive. You know, you need to offend them with the offense of the cross without being offensive. And we’ve covered this before but it’s really not possible to do. Let’s go to Luke Chapter 11 verse 13, and we’re going to, this is a quick take. We’re going to take a look at this in relationship to this cow. And I want to envision a little bit that I’ve been invited to stay in their house for a while. Nice house. Look like a nice farm.
Jacob: It did look like a nice house.
Timothy: Wood panel all that stuff. So obviously Christmas time in the fireplace going so very nostalgic looking except for the cow. In Luke chapter 11 verse 13. This is what Jesus says. “If you then, though you are evil now know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your father in heaven give you the holy spirit to those who ask him”. Jesus just kind of throws in the offense there, doesn’t he?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: Actually, it’s not thrown in, he’s going for it. He’s making a point. Let me read that again for everybody else. Jesus says, “If you then, though you are evil”. So, let’s just envision and I’m at this woman’s house and we get around to talking about the gospel, right? I could take this scripture here and apply it to getting out of the cow and show her the evil and all of that. Now do you think I would be well received?
Jacob: No.
Timothy: I’m just going to pick one particular aspect. Let’s say that I started to talk about loving the things of the world and being too over rot in those things and too happy about those things. I mean she goes, it could be some humor so I’m not trying to be too picky here. You know and she says oh we’re having, what she say, grandchildren?
Jacob: Well, she says she’s joking that I’m going to be a grandma because the cow is pregnant.
Timothy: I got it.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: It’s actually very cute. Again, like I said. But if we switch topics and we’re sitting around at the table. I don’t think they’re going to invite me over for barbecue ribs, right?
Jacob: No.
Timothy: Okay so we’re sitting at the table and we start getting the gospel and we get to this particular aspect. Lot of times people go, what’s wrong with this? well, you just open up a door here now I have to walk through and then the power of the holy spirit and show you how evil you are. Otherwise, if you saw who you were, you wouldn’t be asking me the question. Am I correct in all that Jacob? One more time. If you then, though you are evil”. We don’t even think of ourselves as evil let alone anybody else. “Now know how to give good gifts to your children. How much more will your father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him”. What would be kind of the pre resequit? I’m mispronouncing the word, rough time this morning. For getting the holy Spirit. What would be one of the things you would just see from this passage that you’d have to do, Jacob?
Jacob: You have to ask for it.
Timothy: Oh yeah. Well, sir got to ask for it. You go in the prayer closet or church come down forward and you’re going to ask for the Holy Spirit. Before he’s going to give me his Holy Spirit, what would I have to be sensing or acknowledging or truth, right? But what would be the thing I’d have to accept fully?
Jacob: That you’re evil.
Timothy: That is correct. So, you have both of those. You have the promises of God that he’ll give me a Holy Spirit to somebody that is completely evil. I don’t see too much of that going. I see a lot of asking for the Holy Spirit but not an acknowledgement that we are massively evil, that we need the cross, we need to be crucified. We need to be made holy every day. Right?
Jacob: Correct. Now just to be crystal clear though what is the tie in between this verse specifically and the cow, or you just was that like a generic.
Timothy: Well, the tie in really is this family knows what to give her as a good gift.
Jacob: Yes, because she wants it. They’re going to surprise her. Yeah, she’s super ecstatic.
Timothy: That’s really all the point that I’m making that even though we’re evil we can figure out this is going to make somebody else happy.
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: And they gave that good gift and what I’m suddenly getting into here is just how offensive the offense of the cross is. Meaning, I’m sitting here saying this and I’m kind of patting it over going I’m glad I’m happy but let’s just move that out there for a moment. Let’s just say we’re in straight gospel mode. Would I not be required by the Holy Spirit to show her how evil it was for this whole scenario? Are you there?
Jacob: I’m here.
Timothy: Just singing through.
Jacob: Well yeah, I’m still.
Timothy: Are you wondering what the evil is, or are you missing what I’m saying?
Jacob: I’m not 100% tracking.
Timothy: Well, I can’t.
Jacob: Because, well because there’s this scripture and then there’s the scenario that they are going to invite you over for dinner and you’re going to present the gospel.
Timothy: Correct. Okay. So, I’m just going to present this passage that you gave a good gift but you’re evil.
Jacob: Yeah, okay. That’s clear.
Timothy: That’s it.
Jacob: Okay.
Timothy: All I’m really just saying at that point is what people wouldn’t do is normally go for this. This is obviously a high point. This is a really good starting point to open our eyes to how they are to how evil she is, and you would be using the good gift of a mini cow to someone to prove that. Because that’s where their life is. That’s where they’re at.
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: That’s all I’m really doing here. It’s actually deep enough. I mean I could re explain it and appreciate you keep asking kind of thing. But hey, it’s just offensive.
Jacob: No, I get it.
Timothy: And I’m sure there’s people going well what’s evil about it. Yeah, well come on in and ask me the question. I could go for a whole sermon on that one, right?
Jacob: Right.
Timothy: Okay, good stuff. Alright, we’re going to totally job topics now. This was just kind of the intro I didn’t mean for that one to go too deep. I mean here’s a cow, good gift, evil and then this is our main point. So, really it was just kind of a jump into point. So, this topic we’re going to kind of stick with here and it got messy. My notes were going to go somewhere else and this happens a lot when you’re trying to discern from Lord where to go. And by the time, I was done this kind of area that we’re getting into was actually the main topic. Jacob, go ahead and play the next particularvideo.
Video: You’ve heard that Eve was made to be a helper for Adam. But the reason behind that translation choice might be Andro-centrism. In English we read in Genesis two that God sees Adam alone and says, “I’ll make him a helper suitable for him”. But the word that’s used for helper there is “Ezer”, and its meaning is much closer to rescuer. Because in English the word helper generally implies subservience. Someone helping from below. But in the 20 times that Ezer’s used in the Old Testament it always refers to some kind of emergency rescue like when David’s on the run for his life and says that, “My Ezer is in the Lord”. Now, there is some overlap between the ideas of help and rescue but one emphasizes Adam and the other emphasizes Eve. And when you have theologians in the 1500s, like John Knox who are saying that it’s their mission to battle the monstriferous empire of women. I don’t think it’s a stretch to suggest that maybe the translations of Genesis that were happening at that time might have been influenced by agenda.
Timothy: What do you think, Jacob? How would you respond to that?
Jacob: Pretty nutsvoid. I don’t know why the dudes, well, he’s just going in there and changing words. He’s just like translating it however you want. You can always go to Greek and Hebrew and whatever and make something into something else if you’re after it and then reasons, other examples, blah blah blah.
Timothy: You’ve been too well trained. Let’s look at second Timothy chapter 2 verse 15. You’re correct. In fact, if we look at what he’s saying, he boxes himself in but I first want to get to our main point about this before we kind of look at what he just said. Jacob, go to second Timothy chapter 2 verse 14 and read that for us.
Jacob: “Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words. It is of no value and only ruins those who listen”.
Timothy: Not only is this individual wrong. It’s also, there’s no benefit to this. How does this lead to anybody getting closer to God? How does this lead to anybody who’s a disciple of Jesus picking up their cross more thoroughly than they were before. And that’s why Paul will say, “Keep reminding them”. This is something you got to repeat because quarrels can easily break out this word and this Greek or this tradition over here or this individual over here and it easily turn into quarrel, correct?
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: And he doesn’t just say this in a casual way. This is not some generic thing to kind of produce peace in the church. What does he say? “Warn them before God”. So, not only you’re reminding them, it’s as if you’re pulling them the brothers, sisters, whoever together and go, “Look, I warn you before the living God. Do not get sucked into this man’s quarreling about words”. He’s got a whole series of these things. Part of it is ego. You think you’re actually pointing out something and you think you’re significant when you’re not. You’re actually in the way of the cross of Jesus Christ. You’re confusing things. You’re destroying those who are listening. You’re sending people off course. Am I kind of being clear about this just as not a worthwhile endeavor?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: He even says in there and I’m sure you caught it, right Jacob? He even says, “Now there is some overlap between the ideas of help and rescue”. In the middle of it all, he puts it in there. What he’s doing is taking John Knox and other people that had other opinions about other concepts or what they built on in terms of their sermons or whatever the words. I’m not going to, it’s bad enough to quarrel about scripture. It’s even worse to core about what somebody else said generations ago for which we don’t know how those were twisted. Is he reading slander? You know who knows what? I can just imagine the people that have gone out to persecute me right Jacob? The things that they have said that I said we would say are easily absurd but they’re out there. There’s nothing to do with it. So, if I finally got to go home to be with Jesus and with God, they probably bring those things out and go, oh he said this or he said that and whatever. It’d be the same lies that continue on. So again, he goes on to say and explain that the word is like rescuer emergencies. So, he’s got Eve elevated up and I’m going to clarify that here in just a moment. So, well, let me stop. Have I been pretty clear at this point Jacob?
Jacob: Yes. It’s insulting to God because so God did it out of order. He made man first and then was like, oh oops, I made a mistake. I’m going to have Eve go rescue him. It doesn’t even
Timothy: No, it doesn’t even fit.
Jacob: It’s insulting to God.
Timothy: It is. It is. And you know part of the connotation here what we’re getting into is everybody does not want to say that Eve is below Adam.
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: We want to go. It’s equal and everybody’s in partnership and you’re kind of, again you’re what you’re doing is dancing around the offense of the cross. If you want to keep being from being persecuted, go with this guy. You just quarrel about words. You think you’re talking about something you’re not going to be persecuted. It’s going to be Sadducees against Pharisees. And by the way, what we’re starting to look at here today. You literally, literally could be prosecuted by the United States legal system for believing what we’re looking at here today. If you don’t believe me, I’m living proof of it and I can demonstrate you a lot of stuff went on behind the scenes and this was one of them. Alright, and you know what? There, it be like Jacob. The fine for me the word to.
Jacob: There’s a lot of different to’s.
Timothy: Yeah, but I’m a foreign country I’ve just landed here. Yeah. Yeah, explain to, to me.
Jacob: Well, use to in a sentence.
Timothy: So, you can’t what I’m getting at is words have a depth of meaning.
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: And it brings how the context is putting it in you might use as are here, but you know the main point here is this was before the fall.
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: And there is no problem with the fact that God could use that word in relationship to Eve. She rescued Adam from his loneliness. That’s not a problem.
Jacob: No.
Timothy: Does that encompass also being a helpmate and all those things. What we’re really getting into here is the pride of man who wants to think everybody’s on equal plain with everybody else. And it’s the Baptist I primarily have talked to in the past but when I’ll present something to them, they repent of, they’ll turn to me and go, well, you’re a sinner too. What am I saying? I’ve heard that from everybody. So, everybody, nobody wants to admit or humble themselves without everybody else humbling themselves at the same time. Did I get it too far off track on that one?
Jacob: No.
Timothy: Alright, let’s go to Genesis chapter 3 verse 16, because the word even the Hebrew word and again, I think it’s help made, it’s rescuer, it’s all of those things put together. It’s like if I said Jacob, define for me too. Well, that’s you eventually would say, well, that’s a broad word that encompasses a lot of activity and depth, right? Once you say the creation of Eve Was a very holy noble thing that encompassed all kinds of things. The very help, the very essence of God.
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: It wasn’t God helping Adam. Of course, he was. All of those things were in place. So, it’s part of the character of love. Yes. She was made as a helpmate. Now the debate gets in. Well, are you saying she’s like the servant? She’s like below. She’s beneath Adam. Well, Genesis 3:16 takes us from the Garden of Eden through the and what do we get to? Jacob, again I’m going to let you read that. Verse 16 of Genesis 3.
Jacob: “To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains and child bearing. With pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you”.
Timothy: When somebody gets into this debate of, what are you saying that Eve is beneath Adam, you’re arguing with God at that point. God is literally saying is he not that Adam will rule over you.
Jacob: Well, there’ll be anothervideo. Wow, the Hebrew word for rule means it’s a 50/50 split. No, I’m just kidding.
Timothy: Yeah, no, no, you’re probably right or some type of guidance or really Eve is subtly supposed to guide her husband. You could get in some really weird ways.
Jacob: No, it’s very very clear. But I’m just joking that they’ll come up with something else.
Timothy: See how easy is you just blow that out of the water. I don’t have to debate all the Hebrew. In fact, you go on okay. Well, what does and you were bringing this up. What does the rule over mean, right, Jacob?
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: Well, you know what? Let’s go to Genesis 1:26 and I’ll let you read it so you can discover for yourself.
Jacob: Genesis 1:26. “Then God said, “let us make man in our image. In our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air. Over the livestock over all the earth. And over all the creatures that move along the ground”.
Timothy: Alright, so what’s kind of the hint? What does rule over mean?
Jacob: It means exactly what it means which is rule over.
Timothy: Exactly. Above, beyond, rule over, shepherd, guide, manage, right?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: All the words certainly every feminist doesn’t want to Here and certainly most of the women in the church do not want to hear for that matter. Rare, rare is the woman who actually has a quiet and submissive spirit. Alright, as if that were enough, go down two more verses, Jacob. Go down to Genesis 1:28.
Jacob: “God bless them and said to them, “be fruitful and increase in number. Fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground”.
Timothy: For two words there are what, Jacob?
Jacob: God bless.
Timothy: God bless. All this is a blessing when God created man Adam and Eve and he said, okay, rule over all these things wasn’t that a blessing?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: So, even in the fall it is a most loving God that comes along to Eve and he tells Eve directly. He doesn’t even tell Adam. He tells Eve directly. He will rule over you and your desire will be for him, right? In other words, you’re going to be serving him. That’s actually a blessing and while we don’t have time today to break down how it is a blessing, it is. What we’re dealing with here is go to Luke chapter 9 verse 46. And it’s just the disciples or the apostles following Jesus and you bring up this whole rule over thing and there’s Eve above here and there’s Adam better and is she just supposed to do dishes and be in the kitchen and just you know, the wine is horrendous. What it really comes down to is nobody wants to be a servant of all. Otherwise, this is no contest. Eve, if she came to Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ says, you need to be the servant of all to be blessed, right? Well, it’s not a contest at that point. He would go to Adam and say, if you accept me as your personal lord and savior, you’re going to wind up serving everybody because the greatest you’ll be the servant of all. I’m kind of pointing out where we’re headed here. Isn’t that a blessing?
Jacob: Yes.
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Timothy: So, within a Christian and I’m talking about true disciples of Jesus. There isn’t even this thought of well I’m better than Eve. It might be admitting the reality of who she is. Alright for example, Jacob would you want me doing handyman chores for you?
Jacob: No.
Timothy: You may look down on me. Do you look down on me think I’m a lesser human being and that I’m just your servant that I’m just your slave? Because I can’t do any of the handyman work that you do.
Jacob: No.
Timothy: No, I rejoice that there’s a lot of things that I cannot do. For a woman to say, I can’t do this or a man to say, I can’t do it. Whatever. That’s just walking first of all in reality. We just won’t go deep enough to allow God to humble us truly so it’s deep inside. It’s one thing to be intellectually saying, well, I know this. It’s quite another thing to be dead to sell. The 12 apostles right here are proof of that, right? An argument started out among the disciples as to which of them Would be the greatest. That is just who we are and so much of the marriage conflicts are they’re arguing about who’s the greatest, who’s on top, who’s serving. You do your part. You do that part. We don’t have time to go into all those things. What this individual is doing and what the church is doing by whitewashing this whole thing. So let me be botPaul line here. A woman is to be submissive to a man. Scripture states that she is the weaker partner and we’ll get into that in a little bit in a moment and he is to take leadership and love her in a selfless love with the love of Jesus Christ. That’s the facts. Anything that deviates from that, anything that doesn’t get somebody to the cross in this is not of the gospel of Jesus Christ and by the way, everything I’m saying here, a church could quote unquote teach it and preach it but there’s a way to do that without the offense of the cross. I’m not telling you it’s not offensive, but the offense of the cross cuts to the soul. It cuts to the spirit. It cuts to our whole life. It’s much deeper. So, there’s a way to say these words by the power of the Holy Spirit that is really going to hard and deep because it’s the nature of sin. We’re going all the way back to guard mean. Are we not?
Jacob: Yes
Timothy: It’s original fault. So, anybody that’s preaching this and they all get a great sermon pastor. He didn’t present much of the cross. That’s for sure. You know that you could keep going with this to the point that you really are humbling yourself like Job or any of the great saints that humble themselves. The reason why we get into these debates and these concepts and this guy is doing the video is he doesn’t want to be persecuted for the truth. Just forget all that word stuff, just get to the fact that every husband will rule over their wife. Did he say that or get close to that or imply that? No, he slandered John Knox or this person over here. Galatians 6:12 says, “Those who want to make a good impression outwardly are trying to compel you to be circumcised”. And of course, it had to do with some Jewish aspects but it’s all this physical outward kind of presentation that will demonstrate that you’re righteous. And Paul goes on to say, “The only reason they do this is to void being persecuted for the cross of Christ”. You can preach all of this except all of this and there’s some marriages where the husband actually does rule someone or the wife does submit but there’s not the offense of the cross here. Those are two totally, there’s a lot of religious tradition and John Knox may have been totally wrong on his attitude if he actually said those things. I don’t really care. I’m not going to debate that but let’s just say that he did. He’s wrong on those things but it doesn’t change the nature of who we are and how evil we are that we need to be crucified who we are according to God’s wisdom and according to his truth. Jacob, anything on that?
Jacob: No.
Timothy: Alright, finally just had to put the nail on the cross on this one let’s go to Ephesians 5:23. Ephesians 5:23 and let’s just kind of seal this for a moment. Go ahead and read that Jacob.
Jacob: “For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church his body of which he is the savior”.
Timothy: So, are you equal to Jesus Christ? Jacob?
Jacob: Am I equal to Jesus Christ? No, I’m not equal to Jesus Christ.
Timothy: Thank you. That’s a correct answer. Are you beneath Jesus Christ?
Jacob: Yeah, I’m beneath Jesus Christ.
Timothy: That’s what you get for trying to anticipate what answer I’m looking for. Look at this. “For the husband is the head of the wife”. Correct?
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: But look at how. What quality as Jesus as Christ is head of the church. Is he not in full authority?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: I don’t go on Jesus like now Jesus why don’t you do this here over here and why don’t you do that over here? I don’t overtalk him. “Did I not come in before my lord and savior with a very quiet teachable spirit”. Right there in Ephesians 5:23, never mind what Genesis or if he wants to go debate and hold up the little camera and smile it like the cat with the mouse kind of thing and think he got something worthwhile. The fact is the authority that’s in a home if he’s truly a Godly man, and that’s a big if. I’m not talking a Godly man where the wife tells the husband oh he’s a Godly man. Let’s just say he’s a really Godly man. We’re talking full authority in that household. Are we not?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: Along with the protection, the love, the grace, laying down a life, the humility, the brokenness, all of that goes there. So, do you know just leave your wines in the corner, because all those whining that you’re doing is just trying to get away from the offensive fact that a man is to be in full charge of the household and the wife is to submit and that he will rule over her. Have I been offensive enough in a clear enough way, Jacob?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: Alright, let’s play this next section. We’re going to go from the offense of the cross to Shakespeare. We’re going to do a little bit of education here. Jacob, you ever heard of the movie or the play Taming the Shrew?
Jacob: I’ve heard of it.
Timothy: It’s kind of the opposite of the Beauty and the Beast. Usually, it’s the man that’s being tamed kind of thing. Well, in this case, a both are. I’m going to play and it’s a little bit long. I think it’s a little, it’s like five minutes but it is really well done. It shows this battle line between a man ruling over but needing his wife. You see, this isn’t like there’s no struggle or how do you get this clear and you wrestle out. There’s a lot going on here and the Shakespeare this particular movie I think really communicates it on a quality level. Go ahead and play that Jacob. Movie clip [26:34] [34:30]
Timothy: It’s there at the end Jacob how he turns to tell them, you haven’t begun to fight the battle he’s won and she’s taking off to leave. I left that in there on purpose, because this is not a, may be taken too far but the symbolism is she’s still independent. She can still think she’s still a person. There’s not, we need not have this idea that submission is somehow avoid of knowledge and wisdom and understanding and that somehow, you’re crushing a personality.
Jacob: You’re supposed to be a robot.
Timothy: Exactly. Something like that or you’re some you know the fast cult word is cult word kind of thing. Any thoughts on all of that Jacob?
Jacob: Well, they would be making that movie today.
Timothy: No, they didn’t. In fact, if you listen to the commentary when it was way back when the feminism movement was starting to roll. So, they were having trouble trying to figure out how to do this last scene. But that’s into movie production at that point. Let me bring this down to a single scripture which really will put everything in perspective. It’s not going to wake take away the offense. You can agree with all. I can agree with God that I’ve got pride issues, right? Well, being in agreement does nothing to offend me. It doesn’t put the pride to death. It doesn’t produce humility. So, admitting that men need to lead and women need to be ruled over and need to be submissive to their husband, you can agree to all that. The offense is going to come by the power of the Holy Spirit. Philippians 2:3 will bring the whole worldly concept about mindless robotic type women. Scripture says, “Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves”. A man in the home will consider his wife better than himself the wife should be considering her husband better than she is that’s the humility of Jesus Christ. Any comments on that, Jacob?
Jacob: No, make sense.
Timothy: Alright, well let’s dive in now we’re going to listen to that women, the whole issue of whether women should be preachers or leadership in the church or quiet in the church. Go ahead and play this next clip.
Video: First Corinthians 14:34. Apostle Paul says let your women keep silent in the churches for they are not permitted to speak but they are to be submissive as the law also says. Why did he preach that? When you look at scripture, you need to look at the time period and you need to look at the context what was going on at that church according. The women in the church were being loud and distracting during church. That’s just what they were doing at that time because they were being that way. This obviously was making it so God’s word was not being able to go forth because there was such so much distraction. It was messing with the work of God. So, because of what was going on, apostle Paul used wisdom for this moment in time and spoke a prophetic direction. Okay women, you guys need to keep silent in the churches. Ask your husbands at home. Apostle Paul was not saying that for all women. He was just speaking that for these women at that time because of what they were doing.
Timothy: I know. We shouldn’t laugh. I’m sitting there going.
Jacob: Oh yeah.
Timothy: You’re actually hurting and the laughter is a nerve. It’s it is with me. It’s like oh man you are so far off. Just on a surface level Jacob. Who did better communicating the human condition? Shakespeare or this woman?
Jacob: What do you mean human condition?
Timothy: Well, who we are just in character. Shakespeare’s not trying to make a biblical point.
Jacob: No.
Timothy: It’s just who we are and how we’re designed. Women are designed in a certain way that normally they, okay the athletic thing. They can’t compete with a man that’s in the same arena, because we’re built different. We have different structures and thing.
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: Alright, so you know you’re in trouble. Remember, I warned you yesterday we’ve got to look at the culture, we’ve got to look at the time period. Or the favorite one is we’ve got to look at this in context.
Jacob: Oh yeah, context.
Timothy: And you know what I’ve yet to figure out? They don’t know what to mean like, so the context will be we’ll start at Genesis and read the revelation. Is that help you?
Jacob: Well, I know exactly. Whatever happened I’m pretty sure that all scripture is God breathed and should be used. What part of all? If this was a thing that was just for the Corinthians, I’m pretty sure God could’ve not had it included in the Bible we read today. If people really believe that the Bible is inspired of God then he put it in there. Which means we should obey it.
Timothy: Well not to mention the fact if Paul is so prophetic, right?
Jacob: Yeah, if he’s so prophetic then Nick carry on to us?
Timothy: Well, no. Hang on a sec. I hear you. There’re multiple levels wrong. If he was being prophetic, speaking from God, he would have said, this is for you guys in Corinth only and because of the time we live in and 20 minutes later after you guys get your act together that you can just tear this out of this letter, this is me. He would state that. He wouldn’t wait around and leave it so you can’t get to the point. Well, let’s just take her argument for a moment, right? And let’s look at the time period in which we live, right?
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: And let’s look at the context of everything, correct? Because we want to know, okay Paul, what is the context? What’s the time period? That’s the ultimate discerning factor. Obviously, not listening to the Holy Spirit and so on, right? Alright. Well, let’s go to the culture. Go to first Timothy chapter 2 verse 11 and let’s find out why Paul said what he said speaking prophetically. First Timothy chapter 2 verse 11, we’re going to discover culture. We’re going to consider all kinds of the time period. Verse 11. Go ahead and read it, Jacob. I’ll let you get in trouble.
Jacob: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission”.
Timothy: Alright, so a woman that’s a directive but clearly if Corinthians was just for the Corinthians. Well, you got to get rid of that too.
Jacob: Yeah exactly.
Timothy: But I’m not doing. “A woman should learn in quietness”, and I like the word full submission. You’re not playing at it. You’re not sitting there the men are supposed to be leading, that’s a whole different issue, right? And thinking about, well, they should do this and then when you get home, I’m going to tell them exactly what I think. We’re talking full submission here. I’m not telling you don’t ever talk with your wife or that you don’t discuss things or pray together. What? Figure that all out. The main point is though, we should see this in your life, right? Alright. Verse 12, he goes, man, he goes tougher, right? It’s a good thing this is culture. It’s a good thing this only applies to a certain time period, right?
Jacob: Yeah.
Timothy: Alright, I’ll go and get in trouble on this one. “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be silent”. Pretty direct, right? But fortunately, it only applies a certain time period, right?
Jacob: And only the Corinthians, because they were loud. They were so loud and disruptive.
Timothy: Well, you are correct, Jacob, but what was the time period Paul wrote in Timothy?
Jacob: The same time period.
Timothy: Well, you got to go further. Verse 13. Here’s the time period, “From Adam to the end of the world”. Read verse 13 of first Timothy 2.
Jacob: “For Adam was formed first then Eve”.
Timothy: His reasons for a woman to learn in quietness and full submission and to not teach or have authority over a man. The reason why she has to be silent. What’s the time period Jacob? What is it the dimension of time that we’re in that this applies?
Jacob: The beginning of creation.
Timothy: The foundation of the world.
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: Now, as far as I know, the foundation of the world has not disappeared, correct?
Jacob: Correct. So, we’re still in the time period, right?
Timothy: Yes. We’re still in the culture of sin, correct?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: So, if I was calling this woman to repentance, you delete thisvideo, learn to be busy at home, raise your generation, those who love Jesus Christ, and learn in quietness and full submission and when you start to open your mouth argue back with me on this, you need to be silent. Am I far enough into this now that I could get some stones thrown at me.
Jacob: Sure.
Timothy: Again, I want to warn everybody. You actually leave live this or preach it. You literally could be prosecuted. I was indirectly prosecuted by the state of Washington. “For Adam was formed first then Eve”, that’s the culture. Verse 14. So, he just doesn’t stop there. You could just stop there, Paul, right?
Jacob: Correct.
Timothy: I mean, Paul, you are being offended. You don’t need to say these things. He goes on and he digs through it. Okay, here’s the reason. It’s enough to say, well, you know what? The foundation of the world, Adam first and Eve, so women need to learn in quietness submission and it’s a beautiful thing. It’s all this flowery rosy thing, right? He could’ve just kind of stopped there, right? But that’s not what he says. Verse 14, “And Adam was not the one deceived”. Talk about offensive, right? Adam’s fault, Adam’s sin, just I need to be fair for just a second because we’re not talking about Adam today. We’re talking about Eve. Adam refused to lead. That was his sin. He’s sitting there watching her sin knowing she’s sinning and he didn’t step up to the plate to protect his family. That’s Adam’s sin. So, he wasn’t deceived. Women become more easily deceived. And I could offer proof on that but we don’t have time for that today. “And Adam was Not the one deceived, it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner”. That’s just a fact. That’s why this happens. That’s why God in his great wisdom and his great love. If man didn’t lead in the garden and the woman did lead in the garden, isn’t not just loving discipline to say, okay, in order to get out of the problem you have created for yourself. Adam, you’re going to have to step up to the plate, die to your sin and lead your family and Eve, you’re going to have to submit to your husband and these are the consequences that are going. Isn’t that the most loving thing that God could do when it comes to a sinful destruction of the whole universe?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: I’d say it’s pretty nice actually. Verse 15. “But women will be saved through child bearing”. Boy, would do we not have time to get into that. She’s not advocating anybody to go home and have children, right? But women will be saved through childbearing. I’m going to let you know just ask Jesus in your heart kind of thing to be saved. They need to chew on this a little bit. So, women need an extra salvation. The blood of Jesus is enough. I’m using their lingo at this point. The ramifications of what Paul is saying would be earth shattering to a lot of church doctrines out there, would it not? And salvation messages. But women would be saved through childbearing and then he even adds an if on it. If they continue in faith, love, holiness, or propriety. Those are some pretty serious words. So, have we not demolished at least gotten rid of this whole concept that what this woman is advocating that somehow, we can just avoid all these scriptures?
Jacob: Yes.
Timothy: Alright, let’s finish up and what we’re going to finish up with here. Jacob, go to Jeremiah chapter 2 verse 33. What we’re about to play is actually a Muslim woman and she puts to shame the Christian women that I know. The clarity of which she speaks. The love for which she speaks. The truthfulness of what’s there and what she’s done and she’s Muslim. Look at Jeremiah chapter 2 verse 33. Jeremiah’s rebuking the Israelites. He says, “How skilled you are at pursuing love! Even the worst of women can learn from your ways”. There’s something really backwards going on when this woman that we’re going to play is able to instruct the Christian church. I’m not going to come back and make any more comments once we run this. But Jacob and other people as you listen to her and you watch this, you ask yourself, how times have you seen this within the Christian church?
Video: My husband is my boss. My husband is number one. My husband tells me, hey, sit down I’ll sit down. He tells me, can’t go out with your friends today. I’m not going to go out with my friends. He says, hey, go wash this dish for me. I’m going to go wash a dish for him. I chose this man to be the king of my life. And yes, I agree with everything he says and I do everything he says. And I did that because I chose this man. Man: Zu, sit down. Come sit down. Lady: Why? Man: Because I’m your husband. Come sit down. Come sit. No sitty? Hello. Zu? Sit down. I’m your husband. No? Like what’s happening? Lady: My husband is my boss. My husband is number one. My husband tells me, hey, sit down. I’ll sit down. He tells me, can’t go out with your friends today. I’m not going to go out with my friends. He says, hey, go wash this dish for me. I’m going to go wash a dish for him. I chose this man to be the king of my life and yes, I agree with everything he says and I do everything he says and I did that because I chose this man.
Outro: This has been the Consider Podcast at www.archive.consider.info where yesterday’s folly is today’s madness. In the beginning, the unrepentant sinners words are folly. At the end, they are wicked madness. Ecclesiastes 10:13. Judgement begins with the house of God. Therefore, let everyone who loves the Lord with an undying love pick up their cross and walk the talk. As Peter the wrote. “Therefore, prepare your minds for action. Be self-controlled”. First Peter 1:13-14. The Considered Podcast, examining today’s events and Paulorrow’s realities. www.archive.consider.info.
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